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Post by RAIDERRED » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:47 pm

Third-year junior kicked out of Missouri after two seasons before spending a practice-only year under Sooners coach Bob Stoops. "He's not the freak athlete like Calvin Johnson," one scout said. "He's longer than Demaryius Thomas. Huge threat in the red zone. Oklahoma had to hold him out of some drills because he was just dominating practices. He was (abusing) their starters, It wasn't even close." Caught 28 passes as a pure freshman in 2012, then ran No. 2 behind NFL free agent L'Damian Washington in '13. Finished with 87 receptions for 1,278 (14.7) and 17 TDs. "He's so big and so fast," another scout said. "There's just a lot of unknowns with him. He's a train wreck." Small hands (9). Poorest vertical jump (33½) of top 25 WRs. Multiple character issues vex teams. "He's as talented as anybody in the group but I wouldn't draft him," a third scout said. "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. He could become Josh Gordon. He's going to be a hit immediately for whoever drafts him and then he's going to be a problem." Wonderlic of 20.
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by RAIDERRED » Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:10 pm

Bio: Sat out last season with Oklahoma after transferring from Missouri. Sophomore totals from 2013 included 59 receptions, 883 yards and 12 TDs. Dismissed from the Missouri program in April 2014 after pushing a female down a flight of stairs.

Positive: Large, game-controlling receiver with a shallow body of work. Fluid, comes back to the ball out of breaks to make himself an available target and extends his hands, making receptions away from his frame. Uses his frame to shield away defenders, adjusts or contorts to make the difficult reception and effective running after the catch. Possesses soft and strong hands with the ability to pluck the ball from the air. Easily makes the catch downfield at full speed. Plays with balance, body control and very smooth.

Negative: Displays little in the way of quickness or a burst. Runs poor routes, rounding off breaks then floating on exit. Has several off-the-field issues and not considered a hard worker.

Analysis: From a physical skills point of view, Green-Beckham grades as one of the better receiver prospects in this draft and is worthy of first-round consideration. But considering his shallow body of work, off-the-field issues and incomplete game he'd be a risk at any point during the initial 45 selections. I fully expect Green-Beckham to be over drafted and though he comes with a great amount of upside potential, he's a boom-or-bust prospect.
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by 34yearsnow » Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:14 pm

The kid came in under intense scrutiny....and it wasn't the Nebraska and Gregory situation where they just quit testing him.
He had to attend sessions...and was tested regularly. Word is...he's been astounding.

NO HOME...until taken in.
BAD-BAD-BAD....allowances were made....tried...and gotten away with.
He does need some leadership...and he had that for 6 months and was a model citizen.

He's a strong-jump-ball receiver and it doesn't matter what his vertical was.
He's the closest thing to DEZ in this Draft.
He DID visit the Cowboys.
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by MattN » Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:38 pm

I honestly wouldn't hate this pick in the 1st..

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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by Coach Steele » Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:43 pm

If we pick him, I think Dez is gone after next year. One thing to note is the guys hands. They are awfully small. Dez has mitts.

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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by RAIDERRED » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:07 pm

Strengths

Excellent length/height and a lanky but muscular frame
Fantastic leaping ability and athleticism in the air
Ability to high point and finish over defensive backs is eye-opening
Massive catch radius
Shows good subtle physicality downfield in his routes
Makes good adjustments to off target passes, especially flighted balls
Body control and athletic ability for such a big receiver is impressive
Deep speed to threaten defenses over the top
Tracks the ball with good focus on vertical routes and fades
Uses his body well to box out defensive backs and make contested grabs at catch points
Smooth and fluid mover in the open field
Long strides will eat up cushions quickly
Skill set to be a dominant red zone threat
Good strength as a blocker

Weaknesses

Too many drops, body catches at times
Ball security could be an issue, holds the rock far too loose at times
Bothered by contact more than a receiver of his size and strength should be, more in routes than at catch points
Lethargic releases off LOS, hops off against press coverage rather than use his hands to win
Not a sudden or explosive route runner, will round off his breaks where he should cut sharply
Footwork in his routes is sloppy at times, especially on in-breaking patterns
Consistently struggles to get separation, often due to lack of quickness or intensity in his routes/releases
Tips off his routes too often by his release
Will alligator arm or slow up on passes over the middle or if contact is coming
Rarely breaks tackles in the open field
Lacks the explosive elusiveness after the catch to make tacklers miss in the open field
Overall game is inconsistent, even in the areas he wins, the results aren’t always what you think he’s capable of
Blocking technique is poor and his effort is remarkably inconsistent
Substantial off-the-field concerns, including multiple arrests for marijuana possession and an assault charge that was later dismissed due to a lack of cooperation from the victim
Missed the 2014 collegiate season after transferring to Oklahoma due to his waiver request being denied
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by RAIDERRED » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:08 pm

Dorial Green-Beckham figures to be one of the most polarizing prospects in the 2015 NFL Draft class. His physical skills are undeniable, as Green-Beckham possesses a highly coveted combination of size and speed with his 6-6, 225 pound frame and rumored 4.4 40 wheels. One of the most gifted athletes in the draft, DGB’s ability to highpoint the football and reel in contested grabs with remarkable coordination and concentration, often despite contact, is truly marvelous. The Missouri receiver’s catch radius is massive, and his ball skills and body control in the air may be the best in the class.

Having said that, Green-Beckham’s overall game is still very raw and inconsistent, and will probably only be further behind after sitting out a year after transferring to Oklahoma. Green-Beckham lacks explosion in his routes and struggles to gain separation from defensive backs in man coverage. His footwork and technique need work, not only in his patterns, but also in his releases from the line of scrimmage. Far too often the big receiver is too lethargic in his get-off, slowing up his routes and giving the defensive back more time to adjust. Green-Beckham must master basic route principles to dominate at the next level, as NFL corners will not be as easily “boxed out” as college ones.

While possessing mostly reliable hands, Green-Beckham seems to struggle with focus drops and reeling in balls over the middle of the field. In addition, I don’t really see a dynamic threat in the open field when I watch Green-Beckham play. In the five games I watched, there was only one play where he broke a tackle after the catch. The ability and aggression seem to be there, so perhaps it is a lack of elusiveness or lower body strength that he lacks.

Green-Beckham was mostly used on slip screens, fly patterns and slants at Missouri, the latter of which he really struggled at on tape. His deep speed is uncanny; his long strides eat up cushions in a hurry, and he shows plenty of subtle physicality to win balls down the field despite tight coverage. I’m not sure how much of his slip-screen abilities will translate to the NFL due to his lack of elusiveness, but a big frame like that can be hard to bring down when moving at top speed.

By now you’ve probably heard that Green-Beckham is a top-ten talent in the 2015 class according to some scouts. To each his own of course, but in my mind that idea is pretty far-fetched. His physical gifts and substantial upside make him an intriguing option near the end of the first round, but Green-Beckham has a variety of off-field issues and a dismissal from Missouri’s program working against him. His workout number in Indianapolis will be heavily scrutinized, but the big wideout’s interviews with teams and the media will be just as important.

Even with no character concerns, Green-Beckham is a fringe first-rounder at best in my eyes. His game needs plenty of development, and he struggles to gain separation at the short and intermediate levels of the field. Green-Beckham’s early contributions will undoubtedly come in the red zone on fades and jump ball situations, where his length and leaping ability can be utilized extensively. In addition, while his speed is impressive for his size, I’m not sure we’ll see a 4.4 40 time in Indy. DGB will have to learn to win in other ways if he wants to dominate the NFL like he did the competition during his sophomore year. A team is going to have to roll the dice on his development AND his character, a risk that you can only hope will be greatly outweighed by the potential reward.

NFL Comparison: N/A

Projection: 2nd round
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by 34yearsnow » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:18 pm

He ran in the 4.4s at the Combine.
He's a jump-ball receiver and with his size the "back-shoulder-fade" will be automatic.
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by 34yearsnow » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:16 am

Pronounced: DOOR-ee-ahl. A first-round talent with major red flags. Extremely difficult upbringing. Eventually landed in foster care before being adopted by his high school coach. Was suspended one game (Vanderbilt) as a freshman after being arrested and charged with marijuana possession. Was arrested in January 2014 on marijuana possession charge that was later dismissed after another passenger in vehicle took ownership of the marijuana. In April 2014, allegedly forced his way into an apartment and pushed a female 'down at least four stairs.' He was not arrested and did not face charges from the incident, but was dismissed from Missouri football program days later. In July 2014, he decided to transfer to Oklahoma but the NCAA denied his petition for a waiver to play (transfer rules).
Huge target vertically and in red zone, he is tall with long arms and good leaping ability. Also displays excellent fluidity and ability to adjust to ball while in air. Shows good speed for size -- not in Calvin Johnson's league, but chews up real estate with long strides and displays a second gear when ball is in air. Very strong runner after catch. Frequently breaks tackles and drags defenders for additional yards. Lacks ideal transition quickness after catch, but shows good body control and has decent wiggle for such a big receiver.
Shows no fear working middle of the field. Highly competitive runner after catch and when ball is in air.
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by John » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:50 am

If I remember correctly, Dez needed work on his route running his rookie year too. And it turned out just fine! Can you guys imagine keeping both Dez and Dorial?

Double D! DD! Romo having a great time! Witten loving it too, would open him up a ton more. And if McFadden still has juice.....Dear Lord that would be scary! :shootem:
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by 34yearsnow » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:57 am

He would be a MASSIVE UP-grade over Terrance Williams, and we'd have TWO #1-type Receivers.
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Re: Dorial Green-Beckham

Post by 34yearsnow » Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:16 pm

What he brings: He is one of the most physically gifted wide receivers in this draft, with great size, length, leaping ability and speed. His route-running skills are a work in progress, but the primary concerns with him are off the field, as he was kicked off the Missouri football team following several behavioral issues and he missed the entire 2014 season after transferring to Oklahoma.
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